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Jagath Karunaratne was detained for questioning for seven days, before appearing in court on Friday………The legal time is 48 hours but who believes in the law here in Fiji?

Call on NZ government to deal with Fiji regime over sedition suspect

Posted at 16:33 on 16 October, 2011 UTC

The family of a New Zealand man being held in Fiji on sedition charges says the New Zealand government needs to liaise directly with the military regime.

Jagath Karunaratne was detained for questioning for seven days, before appearing in court on Friday along with four other men charged with writing seditious comments in public places.

A family member, the pro-democracy movement’s Rajesh Singh, says he has received assistance from the New Zealand High Commission in Suva.

“We are thankful for that, but at the same time, what we want is for the New Zealand government to take a direct approach, like the Minster for Foreign Affairs, or the Prime Minister, they should just liaise directly with the regime in Fiji, and tell them, this is all ridiculous, because, where is democracy?”

Rajesh Singh says the five men will be transferred to Korovou prison today.

They are due to reappear in court on Friday.

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57 thoughts on “Jagath Karunaratne was detained for questioning for seven days, before appearing in court on Friday………The legal time is 48 hours but who believes in the law here in Fiji?

  1. Right now, I wouldn’t dare visit Fiji. Even when I lived in Fiji, by attitude towards non-democratic governments was well known. From the comments I have made here, and because I have always used my initials to identify myself, people in the government could easily identify me; they may even have a file on me. Upon arrival at the airport, I would probably be held until I could be put on a flight out of Fiji, or held for interrogation, or held for ransom. I have often done things which the dictatorship would see as seditious.

  2. FRE.

    Contrary to popular belief Fiji per-se is infact as safe as any other destinations the world over, I visit there more often than I am on my Farm’s.

    What you ought to be concern with is the intentional deceptiveness and rascality of the head line to this article, for the first part it reads as it ought, however the latter part is contrived to placate to unsuspecting minds and therefore inadvertently raise their ire.

    Below you can discern for your self the laws that govern such wayward behaviours:

    PART IV – POWER TO DETAIN SUSPECTED PERSONS

    Power to detain suspected persons

    18.—(1) If any person, upon being questioned by a police officer or a member of the Armed Forces, fails to satisfy the police officer or member of the Armed Forces as to his or her identity, address or place of employment, or as to the purpose for which he or she is in the place in which he or she is found, such police officer or member of the Armed Forces may, if he or she reasonably suspects that that person has acted or is about to act in a manner prejudicial to public safety or the preservation of the peace, or is about to commit an offence against these Regulations, arrest him or her and detain him or her pending enquiries.

    (2) No person shall be detained under the powers conferred by this regulation for a period exceeding twenty-four hours except with the authority of a magistrate or a police officer on whose directions such a person may be detained for a further period of forty-eight hours: PROVIDED that if such magistrate or police officer is satisfied that the necessary enquiries cannot be completed within such further period of forty-eight hours, such magistrate or police officer, as the case may be, may direct such person to be detained for a further period not exceeding seven days.

  3. Now just an addendum, this culprit was held within the prescribed laws, so it maybe prudent for any one contemplating any sort of criminal activity be very careful.

  4. Good grief! The gangrenous green goon is back; typing nonsense as usual.

    The drivel you typed above is from one of hairyarse’s decrees; not a LAW. Most dicktators give the power of arrest to its soldiers to increase the amount of fear in the community. You do not find this abuse of power in civilised countries.
    Thank you for pointing out that even under this illegal provision, this person was NOT brought before a court under 7 days. No illegal magistrate granted extra time to the police to make up ‘evidence’.

    As Russell Hunter said, “There is no law in Fiji”.

  5. ex Fiji tourist.

    The resident idiot has once again crawled out Peter’s ass to spew crap, all in all exfijitourist you’re not a bad arse wipe.

  6. And exactly who is to decide whether a police officer’s suspicions are reasonable, the police officer himself or a magistrate who owes his or her position to the dictatorship? It looks as though that further period of 48 hours could be extended indefinitely, 48 hours at a time.

    In actual practice, the power to detain suspects, under the dictatorship, would be unlimited. So, under the circumstances, I would not risk traveling to Fiji. Tourists would also be at risk. Unless they confine their conversation to their health and the weather, the secret police might hear something suspicious and a tourist could be held for several consecutive 48 hour periods.

  7. FRE.

    “In actual practice, the power to detain suspects, under the dictatorship, would be unlimited”

    Not quite, they can hold a suspect up to seven days at which time either the suspect is charged and produced at Court or the suspect is free to carry on their merry way.

    The bottom line is,we can argue till the pigeons come home but that doesnt alter the fact the law is the law no matter whose law whether such laws were produced by way of Decree’s or Enactment’s.

    The point here is to behaviour oneself when visting a foreign country especially when such countries are stratocracies, now you would’nt visit the likes of Afghanistan and paint obscenities of their president would you?

    The same law used here is common in most western jurisdiction USA included.

  8. “Ratu”,

    The “law” in Fiji consists solely of decrees which can be changed instantly at any time, without notice, then enforced. Because decrees can be issued or changed without notice, no one even knows what decrees are in effect. Something can even be made illegal after the fact, i.e., ex post facto laws, perhaps not openly, but by claiming after the fact that it was illegal even when the law did not exist until after the “transgression” was committed.

    You could visit the U.S. of A. and say just about anything without experiencing legal consequences. You could call the president a thief, you could question where he was born, you could question whether he’s actually a U.S. citizen, etc. etc., and you would experience no legal consequences as a result. In fact, that sort of thing has, from time to time, been done since the very beginning of the U.S. There are still some irrational people who insist that President Obama was born in Africa and is not legally a U.S. citizen; they have never been arrested.

    You have compared Fiji with Afghanistan; that’s very appropriate. However, it would not be appropriate compare Fiji with England, Finland, the U.S., or some other country that is ruled by laws and not by the whim of a dictator or quasi dictator.

    It seems that you don’t have even the foggiest idea of how a democratic government is supposed to function or how a democratic government is better than other forms of government.

    I suggest that you read the following article; it was written by me shortly after the 2000 coup and published as a full-page article in the Fiji Times:

    http://www.fijihosting.com/pcgov/docs_o/eggers_democracy.htm

  9. Once again, the facts have been severely misrepresented in the unfair and biased overseas media and in particular in the blogs. Let me explain a few issues here: Firstly, Mr Karunaratne can consider himself lucky to be alive. As everybody know, this government had a few death in custody cases. Others were physically re-educated at the barracks or at police stations. Talk to Ballu Khan if you want the details. Secondly, this government wants people to understand that it subscribes to the concept of consensual democracy. This innovative concept allows everyone to freely express full support for our leader. Thirdly, it needs to be understood by both the Fijian population and the international community that we have established perhaps the most dynamic and flexible legal framework on the planet. Our innovative decrees can be quickly adapted to the actual requirements of the state thus avoiding the considerable inefficiencies of more rigid legal systems that rely on parliamentary processes and wide consultations. In addition, our system is based on equal rights for everybody. Critics of our leader will be severely punished whether they are Fijian citizens or aliens. In other words if you utter things like ‘PM liar’ or write them on a wall, we will get you, NZ passport or not. It should also be noted that these seditious utterings are completely baseless lies: Each and every promise this government has ever made were kept: No soldier has benefited from the coup and in theory elections would have been held in 2009 if it wasn’t for the interference of NZ and Australia!

  10. Who says there is law in Fiji? It is a lawless jungle, run by pretend-cowboys in green camouflages and sheriffs in blue camouflages. The Muslims who are currently leading this lawless society wear skirts (Ratu Sukuna would be turning in his grave to see how his masterpiece has been) transferred to a phony dhoti to cover the asses of airse and ashitz.My advice to those who want to go against the lawless regime- do something that would be really worth your while in jail- like sticking a rifle up the butts of baini and airse or shamimis sisters. That should be worth your time in jail, not some class 1 vocabs (“Lier” dead, die) sprayed below the ugly f”@#% face of Bainiarse!

  11. I can’t wait to see Aiyaz’s prosecutors outlining why the words “support church n unions” constitutes seditious intent.

    The Aiyaz decree drafted by Madam Evil Shameem sets an unbelievably broad test for seditious intent. All it requires is intention “to excite disaffection against the Government of Fiji as by law established”. But what this means is that the prosecutor will have to explain why supporting a church or union is going to excite disaffection with a Government.

    The words “PM traitor” on their face look more like they’re intended to excite disaffection, but how do we know -that the words refer to the illegal PM Bainimarama, and not the deposed PM, Qarase?

    Is the prosecutor going to argue that the words must be aimed at Bainimarama because he’s the only PM guilty of treason?

    I can’t wait to see the reports of the prosecutor’s arguments.

  12. It makes one wonder why a Sri Lankhan would like to finance such activities. Doesnt he have enough trouble in his home country to fight for. He should have been sensible and not be part of a group of vandals. He deserves to be charged and should face the full brunt of the law for wasting tax payers money into undoing his vadalismn acts.

  13. @ Rebel

    At least the muslims cover up their body unlike the maichod kaiviti who show their arse to everyone. Dont try to act like europeans. You changed your religon,dressing style, talking, living and eating sytle to that of europeans. That doesnt make you an european as you still remain the same old cannibal, naked and lazy bunch of black arse goons that you always were.

  14. @FRE. There are still some irrational people who insist that President Obama was born in Africa and is not legally a U.S. citizen; they have never been arrested.

    Irrational, eh, FRE? Sorry dude, but there are millions of Americans who KNOW for their facts. Plus, it’s not simply a matter of birthplace, bro. Go study the Constitution.

    You sound like a brainwashed libtard. You’re an idiot for bringing this up and need to stick to issues you now at least something about. Otherwise you will be taken to task by people who do.

    Go to this forum and read through the 12,000+ posts and stop writing on issues you know phuck all about.

    Here you go:

    http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=235

    And if you disagree, log in and put forth your arguments there, not here. got that? otherwise you’ll be making a greater fool of yourself than you already have.

    YOU;RE IN REAL NED OF HELP DUDE AND I;M HERE TO HELP YA!

  15. RE: Foreign Allegiance of Immigrant Parents
    Posted by Mr.X on Oct 16, 2011 21:52

    A child born of aliens in the U.S. is not a citizen because he is not a member of our society. We have not admitted him nor his parents, nor is there any such “automatic” admission as you claim.

    “There cannot be a nation without a people” is about the only thing you said which was correct. However, that does not mean that any person within a country’s borders is a member of that nation. People who come from other areas have to go through a process (called naturalization) to become members, and absent the completion of that process, they remain alien to that nation, and so do their children.

    Monarchies are different – because in them, everything in the realm of the nation is the property of the monarch. That is the reason why children born to such countries are considered subjects (not citizens, for they have no rights nor power).

    English Common Law is a monarchial system while America is a republic. This is why we have citizens, not subjects. The rules for being considered a member (or property) are fundamentally different. That is why it is inappropriate for ECL to be used to fill in any gaps in American law in the area of citizenship — simply put, ECL does not even possess the concept.

    http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=235

  16. Obviously, some don’t understand the basic difference between citizen and alien. Without that fundamental framework comprehended, there is no point in explaining further.

    Under no definition of “natural citizen” does Obama qualify constitutionally for the office of U.S. President. His usurptation must be terminated with extreme prejudice.

    http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=235

  17. @ Ratu,

    As I previously explained, (irrational) people who claim that Obama is not a U.S. citizen are not in danger of being arrested. The three posts by an irrational person who claims that Obama is not a U.S. citizen prove that making such claims does not put a person in danger of arrest. That, however, is not true in Fiji and illustrates one of the differences between a democratic and an autocratic government.

  18. Autocratic government is certainly not the right label. What we do have indeed is an automatic government: 10% of every project budget is automatically allocated to alleviate the poverty of the Khaiyum family and if you disagree, you will be automatically charged with seditious mutterings. So keep your lips tight and pay your dues and a lot of respect to our dear leader. Automatically you will be rewarded.

  19. I know a few Fijians who find it insulting that sao misuses the title ‘Ratu’.

    They consider it most inappropriate that an acting lance corporal in the moronic military would use a chiefly title.

    To add insult to injury, the green goon adds nothing to this blog; just feeble insults.

    It is a shame that the green goon can’t understand that there is no law in Fiji; only a dicktatorship.

  20. @ pResident Osabama

    There is an old adage that goes: “It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

    Both you and Sai need to get together in an asylum somewhere and compare crazy-notes. Seriously – and the point you attempt to make, is the entire point of this blog (are you sure you are on the right one?!?) – the fact that you can blather on about this silliness in the USA is a PRIVILEGE that we don’t have in Fiji.

    But Jeke/Sai ignores that to suit his own one-eyed view of the world.

  21. @Talibaan

    Did the kaivitis have a choice? No they did not! They were on their own turf of paradise given to them by their God, and then had snakes descend on their Eden to spoil their fun, including your Muslims and indians, europeans. By act of God they were not decimated by the european diseases, otherwise the cannibal would have gobbled up your balls Talibaan and shoved your penis up your arse!At least be grateful that the kaiviti turned from being cannibal otherwise your bony asses wont survive your slavery days. Fijians were never lazy, they were relaxed in their own time zone, but the colonial govt had to bring in slaves from Indian and Pakistani to work their butts in the sugarcane farms. At least kaivitis were never slaves! not now, not ever!

  22. @Rebel

    What god are you talking about. Werent you praying to the snake god that you accuse us of being. How pathetic of you to degrade the same god that your ancestors thought gave you that land. At present, you are praying to a borrowed god from europeans. As for your cannibalisn, it hasnt changed yet. Instead of eating flesh, the harami kaivitis has started eating everyones peace. The haram money is so tempting that you cant live without. So year after year, you come up with coups. Ratu Sukuna ceded Fiji to the British coz fijians were lazy and couldnt pay debts. Read your history maichod. You were running around naked and killing and eating each other. To save your race from extinction, he thought it wise to hand over Fiji to British. When British came, you they transformed you from eating flesh to eating boot soup. The final nail in your coffin was converting you all from being believers in the snake god to Jisu. And you have the nerve to tell me you were never slaves. You were failures than and now since we are here, you have found someone else to blame for your failures. And yes, you were always slaves. First to your chiefs, then to europeans, now to politicians and your greed. You can change color and look but not the blood. Stop blaming others for your own failures. You are responsible for your own deeds. Muslims didnt do the coup. It has always been you and its because of greed. Get a life.

  23. @Talibaan
    Kaivitis were never slaves of European systems – Indenture I believe they called it! Yes that’s the definition. To be forcefully taken/kidnapped from their lands as your forefathers were, and to be taken to a tiny island so far away- your forefathers/mothers must have been so desperate to get out of poverty in the land of their birth. You will remain slaves all your lives wherever you wander on earth – that’s why you want human rights to protect your bony asses- coz you will always be second-third-fourth class citizens wherever you go-until and unless you learn to accept your fate, respect the locals and reciprocate the generosity bestowed on your asses, you wandering nomads of talibaananas, ganduanad, iguanas! Pandora box of evils- you will take it wherever you go- that’s why INdians are being persecuted wherever they are- UK (London riots), Melbourne riots, anti-Muslim rage in US, etc etc. You full of dikshits and remain dikshits for life! You are not Aussies, nor British, no Kiwis nor Fijians – you are Indians for crying out! Why want to ignore your Indian-ness?

  24. FRE.

    For some unknown reason you seem to confused Democracy with the laws on which this alleged perpetrator has been charged because no matter where you are the law is the law whether Decreed or Enacted.

    The question you ought to be asking is thus what would become of such Decreed laws if and when Fiji returns to a functioning Democracy?

    In some western Democracies the crime of sedition have either been abolished or amended unlike the USA where the Sedition Act of 1918 is inclusive of the Espionage Act of 1917 and such Acts are as effective as the day it was enacted.

    Such laws “forbade the use of “disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” about the United States government, its flag, or its armed forces or that caused others to view the American government or its institutions with contempt. Those convicted under the act generally received sentences of imprisonment for 5 to 20 years”

    Now I encourage you to stand outside the White House and either burn Old Glory or shout profanities against your President and lets see if such functioning Democracy would be kind on you.

  25. Siosio: in America it is called the First Amendment – the right to free speech and assembly. Because it is enshrined in the constitution, it trumps all subsequent legislation.

    That means if you complain about the government – they can’t put you in jail for it.

    In Fiji, the opposite because we have an executive and judiciary that are willing to ignore common sense and the UN Charter to arrest people for telling the truth.

    Stop being stupid. Honestly.

  26. Radiolucas,

    You are right. In fact, the courts have ruled that flag burning is protected by the First Amendment and that any laws prohibiting flag burning are unconstitutional and therefore cannot be enforced. The same is true of insulting anyone in government. Of course actually urging people to commit an illegal act, such as killing the president, would be illegal. Thus, there are limits to free speech. A commonly-given example is that one cannot shout “fire” in a crowded theater.

    There are also libel laws. If someone causes monetary or other actual damage by making false accusations, he can be sued for libel by the injured party. But if the accusation is actually true, a lawsuit for libel would not be successful.

    Again, I strongly suggest that people read the U.S. Constitution. It is not very long and can easily be read in one hour. It is probably available at all libraries in Fiji. And, arguably, it is the most successful constitution even though, like all constitutions, it is not perfect.

  27. Radio.

    While the First Amendment grantees all US Citizens the right to Freedom of Speach and Freedom of Association there are limitations on such rights as was the case in “Schenck v. United States” and later was reinforced in the case Debs v. United States.

    As far as Fiji is concerned such rights exists but like everything else dont abuse such rights as this fellow (Jagath Karunaratne) soon found out the point here is ; was he treated fairly and in accordance with the Laws under which he was charged?

    Lets not loose sight of this fact he like any foreigners are subject to the Laws of the Country they visit.

  28. @ Jeke

    Okay – so what has the Schenck case got to do with Frank? The test is also known as the “clear and present danger” test – but this doesn’t apply because that was a case from World War One – and yes, you CAN burn the flag if you want. But you can’t say that Frank is the worst PM Fiji has ever had – that is a criminal offence now.

    But the biggest difference between the American government and Frank is that Frank is an unelected tyrant and a criminal. Frank admits to ordering the killings of the CRW soldiers. Frank is personally implicated by witnesses and victims of torture. Frank ignores his own promises and his own laws. There is no debate.

    But neither are there any “rights” or “laws” in Fiji. Each time the regime fails before the courts, they ignore the judgment and redraft a decree to suit their aims.

    Morally, ethically and legally, they don’t have a proverbial leg to stand on and to charge someone in Fiji with sedition or treason smacks of hypocrisy and nonsense – hell, they might as well just arrest everyone in Suva that doesn’t work for the regime – we are all guilty of sedition.

  29. In the Schenck v. United States case, Schenck was inciting people to break the law. If he had merely stated that he disagreed with the law and thought that it was wrong and unfair, he would not have been prosecuted. But urging people to break a law is a prosecutable offense.

    It is true that free speech has limits. One can say or print anything against the government and suffer no consequences unless it causes damage and is also false or unless it directly urges others to violate the law.

    It should also be noted that while in the U.S., non-citizens in general have the same rights as U.S. citizens. The fact that one can cite cases in which rights were violated (such as the incarceration of Japanese-Americans during WWII) does not change that.

    In the case at hand, i.e. the case of Jagath Karunaratne, what he wrote or said has not been published so we have no way to evaluate it.

  30. FRE.

    “In the case at hand, i.e. the case of Jagath Karunaratne, what he wrote or said has not been published so we have no way to evaluate it”

    Yes you are correct.

    Radio.

    “But the biggest difference between the American government and Frank is that Frank is an unelected tyrant and a criminal”

    The above is nothing more than spurious allegations levelled at someone who by his very own admission wants to change the behaviour and educate the people of Fiji and therefore such allegations are irrelevant.

    “Frank admits to ordering the killings of the CRW soldiers. Frank is personally implicated by witnesses and victims of torture”

    Again the above is a fallacious attempt by those people who by their very nature are mendacious and therfore must not be believed, however until such time sworn affidavits are produced and published such allegations shall remain conjectural.

    You cant just go around and accuse people haphazardly.

  31. @ Sai

    Nice idea idiot.

    But wouldn’t those swearing those affidavits simply be arrested and charged with sedition.

    Problem?

  32. Radio.

    Where is the problem considering such allegations resides well and truly in your demented pea brain?

    Boy are that thick?

    If these allegations are factual than the International Criminal Court (ICC) might have something to say, however thus far such fables if told many times there is the likelihood of it becoming true or if enough shyte is throwwn there is the hope that it might stick.

    Produce the facts boy for the world to see moreso the ICC.

  33. Boy how far are you prepared to journey to maintain the lies that have taken over your feeble mind, I suppose if you tell a lie long enough and keep reproducing such lies there is the hope someday someone will believe you.

    Fortunately the authority that counts the most the ICC don’t believe such lies because those who have concocted such lies have the proclivity by their very nature to sodomise the truth.

    It is a known fact Fijian’s often tell the truth by mistake for this reason they cannot differentiate between the principles of right and wrong for the most it is inherent in them to lie more often than to tell the truth.

    It is a fact that cannot be denied the coconut wireless among the Fijian community is thriving more so with nonsense rather than sense this is because the lies that have infected their very beings has left them with a psychological disorder to which there is no cure.

    Someone once said the pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense in the case of my Fijian brothers such pendulum has frozen on nonsense.

    Boy show me the money.

  34. Okay Sai.

    To help restate the obvious for you and the rest of your low-life kind, imagine for instance, that you had a complaint against a dictator.

    Now imagine that as well as this complaint, you have been threatened, falsely imprisoned, beaten and tortured by the same dictator. So what do you do? You either leave Fiji or try to stay under the idiot’s radar.

    Now, remembering that the dictator is still in Fiji, you contemplate filing charges with the ICC. In fact, you go so far as to hire lawyers, draft affidavits and prepare the documents – what do you think is stopping you from filing?

    The same thing that stops most people Sai: not fear for yourself, but fear for others. After all, you are no longer afraid of being imprisoned or tortured – that has already happened – but what about your family? You children? Your friends? Could you live with that idea?

    What will happen to Frank is the same thing that has happened to Milosevic, Amin and Gaddhafi. They were all brought before the ICC to face charges, years after they had been thrown down from power. You watch – Frank knows it just as well as we do – afterall, why else is he so adamant to seek amnesty for himself and to secure his own political future?

    So now do you see the problem?

  35. @ Radiolucas

    As bananasinpyjamas has many psychological problems, he will most likely commit suicide rather than face up to a court.

    hairyarse, being narcissist , will love the spotlight of a trial and the camera opportunities it provides.

    It is noted that the green goon sao is still insulting Fijians by falsely using a chiefly title.

    It is also noted that the acting lance corporal has stolen a phrase from bananasinpyjamas’ book of lies; “I suppose if you tell a lie long enough and keep reproducing such lies there is the hope someday someone will believe you.”

    Think of:-

    sugar industry is improving

    the economy will grow

    we will eradicate poverty

    no soldier will benefit from the coup

  36. exfijitourist and the gutless wonder Radio.

    “It is noted that the green goon sao is still insulting Fijians by falsely using a chiefly title”

    Use my inherited tittle of Ratu.

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    Voreqe suffers from a condition known as scrotal elephantiasis, which makes it hard for him to use the bathroom or walk.

    Voreqe hoped that making his medical issue public would help him get much needed funds for the costly operation to fix the problem.

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    Life has been difficult since he developed the rare condition three years ago.

    The condition is usually caused by a parasitic infection, and is most commonly seen in the tropical areas of Africa and Asia.

    “I want to have real friends and a relationship with a woman,” he said.

    “But I’m not suicidal. I’m too strong for that.”

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  38. Radio.

    Boy the ICC can and will charge anyone in absentia if they feel such people have committed Crimes against Humanity, now in order for the ICC to issue a warrant for anyone’s arrest the ICC must therefore make certain that such crimes did occur and will continue to occur.

    So far they haven’t had any credible information to that effect, which brings me back to my original statement, up until such time that evidence implicating Bainimarama in Crimes against Humanity can be substantiated it may be prudent to remain silent.

  39. @ Ratu Sai

    “it may be prudent to remain silent”

    Why? Because we should be scared of the tyrant? Hypocrisy Sai, its the catchcry of the criminal mind.

    Oh, and because you are such an amazing genius in international criminal law – what would you pick to charge Frank with?

  40. Thank god he did not do all that silly stuff in SRI Lanka, otherwise he would have been hanged by his balls there and declared dead.

    This guy should be taught a lesson, not to mess withj Fiji Police, Vinaka Police Commissioner

  41. Radio.

    The most odious enemy of the truth is often the lie, now you cannot argue from the stand point of being selective i.e. “It may be prudent to remain silent” because the former must be read in the context of the entire paragraph to grasp what was said.

    Listen my boy I lived among my people long enough to understand the functioning of their mentality and unfortunately because of their indecisiveness, their cognitive processes are more often than not subjected to change without notice or it is better known as being duplicitous.

    Now I would at this interval encourage my fellow compatriots not to be scared of Bainimarama period, for he like any of you is only human besides there are a lot more things out there that you ought to be scared of.

    “Oh, and because you are such an amazing genius in international criminal law – what would you pick to charge Frank with”

    Again boy you raised particular proposition that Bainimarama is guilty of a specified crime, now let me put it to this way, you assert such propositions is true because it is yet to proven false, my boy you are arguing from ignorance for this reason, ignorance in this particular case implies that there is a deficiency of evidence to support your proposition.

    So far your proposition lacks proper investigation and therefore as such is deficient in information which falls short of you proving your proposition to be either true or false, this type of arguments is also known as shifting the burden of proof, and in this case you proposition proposes that Bainimarama must prove his guilty rather his being innocent.

    Boy you must have the perspicacity to make certain in future your assertions are evidence based rather being mendacious.

    I let you and your fellow travellers charge Bainimarama for what ever spurious crimes he has allegedly committed.

    You may also consider changing your pseudonym for one that would at least give you a bit of credibility, with a name like radio the first thing that comes to mind is the fact you are hiding something.

    So what are you hiding boy?

  42. @ Sai

    “The most odious enemy of the truth is often the lie, now you cannot argue from the stand point of being selective i.e. “It may be prudent to remain silent” because the former must be read in the context of the entire paragraph to grasp what was said.” – What does that entire paragraph mean Sai? Grasp what? That you are an idjit?

    Again, why is it so important to you that we should be silent? If what I am saying are lies, what has the truth to fear from it? Or should I shut up because the PER tells me so? Grow up.

    “I lived among my people long enough to understand the functioning of their mentality… (they are) duplicitous” – So you are saying that the people of Fiji lie alot? Is that why Frank got so many happy happy endorsements when Tebbutt Research went around? Nice admission – but I think most all people are ‘duplicitious’ to some degree Sai – it is not a “Fijian” trait any more than it is a “Jewish” or “English” trait.

    “with a name like radio… you are hiding something.” – Said like a true censor.

    Look, instead of wandering through the aimless diatribe of a brain-fart that is your last post, here are some thoughts for your ICC charges:

    Both Frank and Aiyaz could be charged under Article 7 of the Rome Statute for the following offences;

    a. 7(1)(a); Crime against humanity of murder (CRW soldiers for one, Rabaka for another)
    b. 7(1)(e); Crime against humanity of imprisonment or other severe
    deprivation of physical liberty (lots of complainants here – the list that C4.5 has is quite long Sai)
    c. 7(1)(f); Crime against humanity of torture (ditto)
    d. 7(1)(g)-6; Crime against humanity of sexual violence (curiously, I have heard two reports of rape perpetrated against men by the RFMF’s finest – weird men up there); and
    e. 7(1)(i); Crime against humanity of enforced disappearance of persons (yep, again, lots of complainants to choose from).

    Of course, it is arguable that more crimes might be added to the list, but once again, I am NOT an expert on international criminal law and cannot say for certain.

    What I do know is that these offences are real and the charges CAN be substantiated – so go ahead and tell us to shut up Sai and we will continue to ignore you. Soon there won’t be anyone left to tell us to shut up and Frank and Aiyaz will have to face the truth.

  43. One of the problems with taking public opinion polls in Fiji is that people in Fiji are especially inclined to say what they think the poll taker want to hear. That is very common in Pacific Island cultures, although it is not limited to them.

    Getting an accurate result requires that questions in polls not suggest and answer. It also requires that those being polled do not feel threatened in any way and will have no clue as to the answer that the poll taker expects or hopes to get.

    Taking an accurate public opinion poll in Fiji would probably be impossible. There are too many remote villages and people in them are under pressure to conform.

  44. Nameless Radio.

    Again, why is it so important to you that we should be silent?”

    Man child, it is very important that you and your fellow travelers be vociferous in your condemnation of the regime after all it is your rights, however in your and your fellow travelers traducement of this regime you all seem to have lost touch with reality, reality being in this case cogent evidence and therefore without such cogent evidence one must be guarded against what one says.

    “If what I am saying are lies, what has the truth to fear from it?”

    Again support your accusations with facts because third hand information’s are not all that cogent.
    The truth will set you and your ilk free.

    “Or should I shut up because the PER tells me so? Grow up”

    Now you being extremely childish because the dreaded PER is a revamp of the age old English laws and therefore it is not a valid argument for this reason such law allows most funny buggers to participate in their vile acts openly you included but it restricts certain elements of society from participating in jiggery pokery aye.

    And yes every Fijian known unto man is not only duplicitous but also mendacious.

    “Both Frank and Aiyaz could be charged under Article 7 of the Rome Statute for the following offences”

    7(1)(a); Crime against humanity of murder (CRW soldiers for one, Rabaka for another)

    Suppositional.

    b. 7(1)(e); Crime against humanity of imprisonment or other severe
    deprivation of physical liberty (lots of complainants here – the list that C4.5 has is quite long Sai)
    Without proper investigation and authentication such list is void.

    c. 7(1)(f); Crime against humanity of torture (ditto)

    Yet to be proven.

    d. 7(1)(g)-6; Crime against humanity of sexual violence (curiously, I have heard two reports of rape perpetrated against men by the RFMF’s finest – weird men up there); and

    Hear say not cogent.

    e. 7(1)(i); Crime against humanity of enforced disappearance of persons (yep, again, lots of complainants to choose from).

    Suppositional.

    Article 17 of the Rome Statute is very similar to Decree 44, part 12 of the Crimes Decree.

    OFFENCES AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER.

    Do believe because you have heard something; believe only when you have facts to back your argument because third hand information is always unreliable.

    To strengthen your argument first investigate, collate than disseminate.

  45. “the dreaded PER is a revamp of the age old English laws”

    How old are you talking? Pre-magna carta?

    Not only would you deny documented acts of torture and murder, but you seem perfectly capable of denying that which everyone knows to be true. Sai, I know what Frank has done because I have seen it with my own eyes. I have also seen signed affidavit evidence of other’s similar experiences and witness accounts.

    The greatest enemy that you, Frank and Aiyaz have, and will always have, is the truth.

    Now, you are perfectly free to believe whatever you like – that much is apparent. But you, like Frank and Aiyaz, have no right to attempt to silence or enforce your own fanciful vision of reality on the rest of us – we all know the truth and will not be quiet just to quiet your own moral fears over what you are doing.

  46. Probably there is more than one persons using the name “Ratu Sai.” It’s unlikely that one person would use different writing styles.

  47. Radio.

    Nowhere in my discourse I denied such acts that you adamantly claimed occurred, however I have problem with the reliability of informations filtering out of Fiji moreso with people who for one reason or the other have had in the past the propensity to lie hence the reason why I am insisting on viewing cogent evidence that you claim to have.

    That much I think you can appreciate.

  48. FRE.

    There are imposters abound, for I am the one and truly RT.Sai my ISP address is registered in NZ.

  49. @ Ratu Sai

    “Nowhere in my discourse I denied such acts that you adamantly claimed occurred, however I have problem with the reliability of informations filtering out of Fiji”

    Right. because everyone in Fiji (except for Frank, Aiyaz and Sharon of course) are ‘duplicitous liars’?

    So you don’t deny that the acts occurred, yet deny that someone might be held responsible and that someone could not possibly be the man leading the whole show?

    You have a very long bow to draw there Sai. As for “cogent” evidence – I am not sure what more you really want? You don’t have to go far back in these blog sites to find evidence, in the form of formal letters, affidavits and statements. You can choose to ignore them but I am not going to be bothered to do all your research for you.

    @ FRE

    Yes – I have seen at least two Ratu Sai’s – one obviously not him as that guy is amusing – but the others such as Timoci, Jeke etc are all the one and the same identity. Supposedly the ‘real’ Slim Shady is “Ratu Sai”. It doesn’t matter anyway because the posts give themselves away everytime.

  50. Who was murdered during this coup???? Maybe tortured, beaten, or raped ????Why???Please everybody commenting in this page, because you can’t go against the military. They are the only ones who have guns, unless some people are hiding their guns for shooting wild ducks.The military stands for the Fijian people who don’t have a clue of what is going on with-in our government. We as Fijians who live in villages and have our source of income depending on land and the sea or river, now we have the opportunity to cultivate it by using machinery, and thanks to Frank because it’s free of charge. During the past governments, it was so hard for poor villages to get aid, unless you know someone up there in the damn government , however, for Frank, who visited schools, villages, small organizations like youth groups etc. Thank you Frank,but we are counting on equal vote during election. But to get on the real issue about this topic, I guess you will be treated fairly if you seek a better lawyer in Fiji, and by calling your second government for your rescue, I guess it’s not a good idea, because they have so many problems with-in your government which is much more worse than your case. God bless Fiji.May we have a good and better leader.

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